The general content of the first part is that Socrates and Meno are arguing what is virtue. They have discussed virtues in many ways. For example, is there a classification of virtues? Is there a definition of virtue? There are a lot more. Both of them expressed their opinions and always refute the other’s point of view. Even if I read this article, I almost forgot what the virtue is. I think they both have their own definition of virtue, they just want to argue with each other.
One of them I don’t know very well, which is why I think that the two of them are arguments because they want to argue with each other.
Socrates:
Seeing then that it is the same virtue in all cases, try and tell me, if you can recollect, what Gorgias—and you in agreement with him—say it is.
Meno:
Simply that it is the power of governing mankind—if you want some single description to cover all cases.
Socrates:
That is just what I am after. But is virtue the same in a child, Meno, and in a slave—an ability to govern each his master? And do you think he who governed would still be a slave?
Meno:
I should say certainly not, Socrates.
Platoʼs ʻMenoʼ, tr. W.R.M. Lamb • Page 4 of 47
Socrates:
No, indeed, it would be unlikely, my excellent friend. And again, consider this further point: you say it is “to be able to govern”; shall we not add to that—“justly, not unjustly”?
Meno:
Yes, I think so; for justice, Socrates, is virtue.
Socrates:
Virtue, Meno, or a virtue?
Meno:
What do you mean by that?
Socrates:
To take roundness, for instance; I should call it a figure, and not figure pure and simple. And I should name it so because there are other figures as well.
Meno:
You would be quite right—just as I say there are other virtues besides justice.
Socrates:
In the same way as I can tell you of other figures, if you request me, so do you tell me of other virtues.
Meno:
Well then, courage, I consider, is a virtue, and temperance, and wisdom, and loftiness of mind; and there are a great many others.
Socrates:
And more of the same way as we were just for; Are not able to find.
Meno:
No, for I am not yet able, Socrates, to follow your line of search, and find a single virtue common to all, as one can in other cases.
Socrates:
And no wonder; but I will make an effort, so far as I can, to help us onward. You understand, of course, that this principle of mine applies to everything: if someone asked you the question I put to you just now: What is figure, Meno? and you replied: Roundness; and then he said, as I did: Is roundness figure or a figure? I suppose you would answer: A figure.
Meno:
Certainly.
Socrates:
And for this reason—that there are other figures as well?
From this passage, I think Socrates does not try to understand the meaning or meaning of virtue. I think he already has a virtue. He just wanted to convince Meno or brainwashing Meno. In fact, I think all philosophers are like this. What they are saying is to make us confused and then instill their consciousness or knowledge into us.
I don’t think the philosopher’s discussion has any benefit to me or let me learn new things. Instead, I almost forgot what is a virtue.
You add your personal feeling about discussions between Meno and Socrates. You also did a great job by introducing the texts before quoting it. I think you can quote less texts and add more analysis.
I also agree you, at the beginning of Meno, I don’t know the purpose of Socrates. He seems to know the answer of the virtue. And I think your paragraph is too long.
i think Socrate do show something in part 1 and he is trying to convince Meno that he has virtue.